netbikes
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bad brakesI have really bad brakes on my S3, in the wet thay are pretty much non existant, and not much better in the dry. They have new pads and oil. Anyone else have this problem. Personally I think it is the stainless disc, just polishes up the more you use it. Thinking I may fit a drum brake front end off a S2 or a H1.
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husson73
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On the wet, every triple guy has bad brakes. But on the dry, you must have brake, master cylinder or /and caliper to change or to work.
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The Wolfman
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In the wet the time delay can be worrying but in the dry there should be plenty of bite and you seem to have covered quite a few potential problems already.
Is there any sponginess(?) in the system? Old brake pipes can expand under pressure.
There might still be some air in the fluid, sometimes they are a real bugger to bleed fully.
The Pistons often seize and it feels like everything is working fine at the lever cos there's plenty of pressure.
I would be tempted to have a real good look around before condemning the disk, although it's not an outlandish suspect.
The brake must be pretty bad to edge you towards a drum setup, although a well balanced TLS can be very effective.
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simonh
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| The Wolfman wrote: | | although a well balanced TLS can be very effective. |
initially :shock:
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simonh
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it is easy to kill new brakepads if too hot on the brakes, as graham says check everything else, see if yor pads are glazed. piston is likely siezed???
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The Wolfman
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| simonh wrote: | | The Wolfman wrote: | | although a well balanced TLS can be very effective. |
initially :shock: |
My S1c was wicked especially when cold, squeeking the front tyre was quite easy until this last (resto) strip down.
Now I don't know, not had chance to really try it yet.
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kas750
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| The Wolfman wrote: | | simonh wrote: | | The Wolfman wrote: | | although a well balanced TLS can be very effective. |
initially :shock: |
My S1c was wicked especially when cold, squeeking the front tyre was quite easy until this last (resto) strip down.
Now I don't know, not had chance to really try it yet. |
the drum brake on my s1b is also quite potent wet or dry :thumright: if you look at my other bike you may see why i cant find much to complain about :thumright: in my world kawasaki drum brakes are like six piston brembos :smt102
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netbikes
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you could be right about a ceased piston, I have not pulled them apart yet. My T350 suz has a GT250 disc front enad and it works great, same disc as the S3 I reckon. All the same TLS drum brakes do work well when set up correctly and they sure look the part too.
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tony_d123
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My standard KH250 disc could have the front tyre howling 25 years ago in the dry, although admittedly they were TT100 tyres. It wasn't that bad in the wet either once it "wiped" the disc. It must be knackered caliper or contaminated pads or a crap pad compound.
There seems to be lots of weird sounding (korean/chinese?) pattern stuff about these days, that could make a big difference. I always try to buy a known brand of brake pads if possible.
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simonh
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| netbikes wrote: | | you could be right about a ceased piston, I have not pulled them apart yet. My T350 suz has a GT250 disc front enad and it works great, same disc as the S3 I reckon. All the same TLS drum brakes do work well when set up correctly and they sure look the part too. |
I'm almost certain that s2a and s3 frontends were sourced from same component supplier as suzuki were using at the time
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simonh
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| The Wolfman wrote: | | simonh wrote: | | The Wolfman wrote: | | although a well balanced TLS can be very effective. |
initially :shock: |
My S1c was wicked especially when cold, squeeking the front tyre was quite easy until this last (resto) strip down.
Now I don't know, not had chance to really try it yet. |
always found drums to fade quicker than discs but i'm no demon rider :oops:
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netbikes
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I got the brakes working better over this past weekend, all I did was make loose the 2 large alan bolts that hold the 2 sides together, wack a few times with a rubber mallet and re tension. They work somewhat better now so thinking if I strip completely and re kit they will be fine. Also put the front wheel on a wheel trueing machine today and found it is out of wack a little side to side and up and down so thats coming off this week to get right. The bike should track better then and the brakes will work better too. It is all coming together as we go along. Next stop will be the rear end.
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The Wolfman
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Went out on the S1c Yesterday (Sunday), that TLS front brake is lousy now, it probably need wearing even again so that both shoes bite at the same time. :roll:
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